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"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?  Jesus replied:  Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.  This is the first and greatest commandment.  And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and  the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matt 22:36-40

Unless the keystone of peacemaking is to serve and glorify God and His witness, it's merely 
selfishness cloaking a heart of greed, while attempting to manipulate God and His Word for evil gain.  It's selfishness, self-willed, pride, ambition, enmity, lusts, hatefulness 
and our Lord will expose such spiritual corruption, while blessing those in holiness, great love, infinite compassion, meekness, purity, truthfulness  hungering and thristing  for righteousness.

A word of CAUTION: Biblical peacemaking is very dangerous...

     Charles Sprrgeon, "Wherever this abiding love of truth can be discovered, we are
                                   bound to excercise out love. No narrow circle can contain
                                  our gracious sympathies, wide as the election of grace must be
                                  our communion of heart. Much of error may be mingled with
                                  truth received, let us war with the error but still love the brother
                                  for the measure of truth which we see in Him; above all let us love
                                  and spread the truth ourselves.

Matthew 5:9-12 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.  10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.  11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.  12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Matthew 7:1-6  Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.  2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.  3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?  4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?  5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.  6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Ezekiel 8:6 And He said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great abominations which the house of Israel are committing here, so that I would be far from My sanctuary? But yet you will see still greater abominations.”

Ephesians 5:11 -13Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; 12 for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret. 13 But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light, for everything that becomes visible is light.

When God uncovers the heart of mankind they will either Biblically REPENT or they will do all within their power to DESTROY you! e.g. lies, evil speaking, maliciousness, slander, gossip, false witness, deception, and more in an attempt to hide their unrepentant sins while destroying the peacemaker.

A Few Examples:

A Pastor: As a boy abused by is mother, wet the bed, played with fire, and into adulthood would buy kittens and spend hours maiming, harming, torturing them then drown them to death. While a minister, would buy pornography and frequent public parks to sexually relieve himself. The horror of having "confessed" and seeing these are warning signs of serial killers, was so overwhelming to him it opened the flood gates of theological rage and abuse.  Now claims he was in an abusivie group (PeaceMakers).
A Missionary: His childhood rage grew so intense as an adult, in a secular position as a public authority, he was publicly sanctioned. Later he would take his skills on to the mission field.  His rage had devastating effects upon his children. When addressed for his rage and mistreatment of his wife, he became so embittered, he projected his rage upon those who tried to Biblically care for him and his family.  (He wants to return to the mission field)

A Denominational Leader: As a youth pastor, sexually abused two teenage girls. After the first teen, now an adult confronted him, he supposedly confessed, went for counseling, pledged she was the only one.  A few years later the second teenager now an adult, through PeaceMakers, pursued Church Discipline, not knowing there was another. Now as a Minister of one of the largest churches in the denomination, the church and denominational leadership closed ranks, put together a wimpy, generalized "I'm sorry" announcement, sang a song and all is well.  Next, on their website was a new service of reporting and recording pastors who sexually abused children.  PeaceMakers asked the service if this man was listed, as their page had no indication of his multiple sexual abuse.  Quickly the service was removed.  ( Currently a Pastor: CONVERGE Worldwide-previously known as Baptist General Conference)

A Para-Church-Peacemaking Ministry: A young lady came to a Bible study and asked for help. She was having emotional and spiritual difficulty responding to her mother who once worked at a “christian publisher,” while having an affair with a local Bible College professor who taught courses on Church Discipline.  All attempts to address the couple, who each divorced their spouses and married, met with refusal.  A few years later while I was at the national conference of now named Peacemaker Ministries. I heard a report of a man who was exceptionally “gifted”.  Upon seeking to know this person it was discovered it was this same professor and I gave witness to the failure of Biblical Discipline/Reconciliation. I was told by the then leadership to be quite or leave the conference.  I immediately left. All atempts to address these and other issues with this organization failed.

Richard Owen Roberts
Where Judgment Begins

We live in a unique time, a confusing time. We live in a time when it is almost impossible to tell the true Church from the professing church. There has never been a time in the past when there were literally millions of people who could tell you the day and the hour they accepted Christ, but who live for self and Satan.

There are multitudes of people who honestly believe they are Christians because they’ve been baptized—many of them because of infant baptism, some because of adult baptism. They are depending on baptismal regeneration. Then there is the incredible array of people who are clinging to some decision they have made, and who have been falsely informed by their own leaders that they are indeed children of God. They are hanging their eternal welfare on decisional regeneration.

The Bible portrays regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:5-8). Those people who truly are children of God have been born of the Spirit, and there is a world of difference between the Spirit’s regeneration and baptismal or decisional regeneration. Every time we add another person who knows nothing of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit to the ranks of church members and professed Christians, we add to the confusion, and further decline morally and spiritually in the land and in the world.

Let me put this question to you: does Jesus Christ save from hell? Did He come to save from hell? Many of you will remember that when the angel spoke to Joseph, he said to him, “Thou shalt call His Name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sin” (Matt. 1:21). Some of you may be guilty of having encouraged many to believe that it is possible to be saved from hell without ever having been saved from sin. I am regularly encountering substantial numbers of people who, if they speak honestly from their own heart, make it crystal clear, “I don’t even want to be saved from sin. I intend to live in sin, but I’m glad I’ve been saved from hell.”

Have you ever considered what a treacherous act against Almighty God it is to pretend that He is so utterly absurd that He saves people from hell but not from sin? Why does hell exist? Without any question, hell exists because there are those who will not repent and believe. To turn around then and suggest that out of a great heart of love and compassion, God saves people from the penalty but leaves them with the problem is an insult against our God.

Jesus Christ came to save people from their sin. I believe many of us need to learn to make a very careful distinction in our own thinking and surely in our presentation of truth to others, between sin as a one-way ticket to hell and sin as a thief of God’s glory. There is a common statement that is made within the church that repentance is a change of mind. That statement never seemed quite sufficient to me. I have come to realize something very consequential in that regard. True repentance means an exchanged mind. The unrepentant have the mind-set of the world. But the repentant have the mind-set of the Spirit. When we come to Jesus Christ, having been born of the Spirit of God, in repentance, we receive a new mind. We’re not interested any longer in seeing what things we can get away with. We don’t want to walk as close to the precipice as possible and just hope we won’t fall over the cliff. We have the mind-set of the Spirit.

We need to learn to distinguish in our thinking and in our living, and surely in our presentation of the gospel to others, between sin as a one-way ticket to hell and sin as the thief of God’s glory. God did not create man to save man from hell. God created man to glorify Him and then to enjoy Him forever. You can’t break the two apart. The notion that you can enjoy God forever and refuse or fail to bring Him glory in this life, is indeed absurd.

With those thoughts in mind, let us turn to I Peter 4. First we will deal with the greater context found in this passage, verses 1 to 11, and then deal with the context, verses 12 through 16 and 19, and then come to the text, verses 17 and 18.

In verse 1 and verse 2 we have the matter of suffering set in front of us as a declaration of its purpose: “Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.”

Why does God allow His own children to suffer? We are informed in verse 1 that Christ Himself suffered in the flesh. It is perfectly reasonable and understandable that we should suffer as well. I take it as a given that if my Savior suffered, it is my task to arm myself with the same purpose, to realize that God is at work and has a purpose for His people. We are informed in this passage that He who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin. You may not fully understand that statement or other statements in this passage, but isn’t it perfectly clear that there is a purpose in suffering and that at least part of that purpose is to bring us to that place where sin is not a ruling factor in our lives, where a great focus change has occurred so that we’re not concerned about hell? We’re not worried about going there. If we could go to hell for the glory of God, we would be happy in doing so. The thing that matters to us is the glory of God. If suffering somehow brings the glory of God, then I’m all for it.

Look now at verse 3: “For the time already past is sufficient for you to have carried out the desire of the Gentiles, having pursued a course of sensuality, lusts, drunkenness, carousals, drinking parties and abominable idolatries.” You have already wasted a sufficient portion of your life. Time is too short to waste any more. The time is already sufficient for you to have carried out the desires of the Gentiles, having pursued a course of sensuality, lusts, drunkenness, carousals, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. You don’t have another second to waste in that direction. Whatever days you have left, many or few, must be devoted to the high calling of God that you have in Christ Jesus. You can’t allow some grievous disappointment to push you again into a cycle of moral and spiritual decline. Whatever time you have left must be redeemed for the glory of God. That’s why you were created. You’ve lost countless opportunities already to bring Him glory. Don’t lose another opportunity

Look at verses 4 and 5: “And in all this, they are surprised that you do not run with them into the same excess of dissipation, and they malign you; but they shall give account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.” Is anybody surprised when you won’t run with them? Has anybody maligned you? You don’t fit in. You don’t belong. Part of the sadness of the hour is that Christians fit beautifully into the world. Nobody’s troubled by their presence, by their conduct, not even troubled by their witness. Our changed lives should baffle them, and when they do not, we have a reason to be on our faces before God, seeking that repentance which results in the exchanged mind, so the mind of Christ is dominant in our lives.

The next matter: We’ll have to give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. They will; you will; I will… There is no escaping our responsibilities before God.

Five Matters Requiring Attention

There is an important arrangement of truth in verses 7 through 11. “The end of all things is at hand,” says the inspired apostle. There are certain things that the believer is required to be. I see five matters in these verses that require our distinct attention.

Verse 8: “Keep fervent in your love for one another.”

Verse 9: “Be hospitable to one another without complaint.” It is easy at a conference like this. We have time to be kind one to another, but what about at home?

Verse 10: “As each one has received a special gift, employ it in serving one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.” Some of us think of stewardship in terms of money, and no doubt if you began to write down those things that fall on the list under the manifold grace of God, money would appear on the list, but it would be a minor matter in the whole lot. Money is something that is ordinary. It is something we call a common grace. We must not overlook the manifold grace of God, special graces of the believer that require good stewardship.

Verse 11: “Whoever speaks, let him speak, as it were, the utterances of God.” Preachers, when people hear you, do they say, “That is much more than a pastor speaking to us; that is the voice of God”? Some of you are in trouble in churches and people are always giving you a hard time. Learn to speak the utterances of God, and a lot of people who are bold in your face now will become fearful. Every man when he speaks ought to speak with the fear of God hanging over him and over his auditors.

And the next instruction says, “Whoever serves, let him do so as by the strength which God supplies.” All these things that God might be glorified through Jesus Christ to whom belongs the dominion forever and ever.

The Immediate Context

Now, the more immediate context, starting at verse 12: “Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you….” What is he referring to? Look at verses 17 and 18: “It is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And if it is with difficulty that the righteous is saved, what will become of the godless man and the sinner?”

Verse 13: “…to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing; so that also at the revelation of His glory, you may rejoice with exultation.” In verse 14 we are called to consider these facts: “If you are reviled for the Name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.”

It would be foolish to suppose that every Christian suffers the same degree of persecution. Our place in life is going to have some contributing factors in terms of degree of persecution, but we have it plain here that you are blessed when you are reviled for the name of Christ, “…because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.”

Verse 15: But “by no means let any of you suffer as a murderer, or thief, or evildoer, or a troublesome meddler…” You begin to sense the context. Do you see how verses 17 and 18 fit in? Suffering as a Christian (verse 16) is not something about which we ought to be ashamed. Rather in the name of our dear Lord Jesus, let us bring glory to God.

Verse 19: “Therefore, let those also who suffer according to the will of God entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right.” So no matter how hard it is to be saved, let us get on with the work for which we were called, to the life to which we were born of the Spirit of God.

It Is Time for Judgment

  Let’s take the text now. Verse 17: “It is time for judgment to begin with the household of God.” Some of us have a very inadequate understanding of Scripture because we have a very inadequate understanding of judgment. I’m regularly encountering people in the church, who, when the word judgment is used, think usually in terms of the future—like the Great White Throne Judgment. This passage is not talking about something in the future. When the Bible speaks about the judgment of God, we need to be certain whether it is talking about something eschatological or something for the moment. In this passage, the judgment that is under consideration is something that occurs on a day by day basis.

“It is time for judgment…” That was written a long time ago, and Peter was sure that it was an appropriate time for judgment then. It is even more appropriate now. There is simply no escaping the fact that part and parcel of being a true believer is the issue of judgment. A major reason why we so desperately need revival is that the biblical subject of judgment has been set aside and treated as a matter of inconsequence for the believer.

But not only is the timing of judgment called to our attention here, but also the subjects of judgment are clearly pinpointed. As noted already, the place where judgment must begin: “It is time for judgment to begin with the household of God.” In actual fact, if one has a very literal translation, they know that what this passage says is that the time has come for judgment to begin from the household of God. It is not something that is contained within the household of faith. It is something that begins there and moves on out. That is a very important aspect of the teaching of this passage.

We need to observe that the word under consideration here is judgment, not punishment. Christ already bore your punishment. The world is facing judgment in the sense of penalty. The judgment of the believers described here is for the purpose of refinement, purification. We can be greatly moved in a conference like this and set our hearts to be more pure. We may need some reminders in the days to come, and the Lord is going to use His judgments as reminders and aids.

When we’re speaking of judgments that are concurrent with sin, we need to be thinking in three realms. First, every believer needs to learn to judge himself. The reason why we get such a pileup of iniquity within the church is because so many believers have failed to judge themselves.

Secondly, we must also think in terms of the church as the judge. It is God’s plan that each church should judge its own people. You can barely say that before someone says, “My Bible says, ‘Judge not lest ye be judged.’” My Bible says, “Judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). It says, “With what judgment you judge, you shall be judged” (Matt. 7:2). There is no hint in the Bible that we are not to judge. We dare not judge unfairly. We must not be more severe with others than we are with ourselves. So when we are thinking of judgment concurrent with sin, we are thinking of the individual judging himself; we’re thinking in terms of the church judging the individual that won’t judge himself. And obviously we are thinking in terms of God. If the individual won’t judge himself and that individual’s church won’t judge him, God will.

Some of you pastors, if you’re going to follow through on your engagement with God this week, are going to have to go home and exercise some judgments, first, on yourself. When you are right in every realm, then you’re going to have to deal with some of those people in your church who need godly, gracious, loving, tender judgment. Judgment must begin with the household of faith.

Many of us are familiar with the passage of 1 Corinthians 11, starting with verse 27: “Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself, if he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick and a number sleep. But if we judged ourselves rightly, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord in order that we may not be condemned along with the world.”

If perpetually you will not judge yourself, there is strong reason to suppose that you’re going to be judged along with the world because the repentant person who has the exchanged mind, has no interest in sin. Oh, he fails; he commits sin. He may work terrible iniquity, but he has the mind-set of the Spirit and he judges himself with severity lest he be judged along with the world. In I Corinthians 5:5, Paul is dealing with the immorality in the Corinthian Church and he sums it up by saying, “I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” My brothers in ministry, you in all likelihood have people in your church who need judgment so that their spirit may be chastened and their soul may be saved.

I want to give seven biblical examples of judgment. Before I do, I want to give you these summary kind of biblical statements. The first I am reading from Exodus 19:21: “The Lord spoke to Moses, ‘Go down, warn the people, lest they break through to the Lord to gaze, and many of them perish. And also let the priests who come near to the Lord consecrate themselves, lest the Lord break out against them.’” That is what I want you to have in mind as we pursue this subject further: “Lest the Lord break out among them.”

If I won’t judge myself, and my church doesn’t have the courage to judge me, I warn you, the Lord will break out among us! The Lord already has broken out among us! We’ve been seeing the hand of God in judgment for years now. There has been the withdrawal of the manifest presence of God. I mention Jeremiah, chapter 13, how that God, when He is grieved with the wickedness of His people when they will not judge themselves and one another, turns them over to a state of spiritual drunkenness. The judgments of God are manifold. Judge yourself. Judge appropriately others, lest the Lord break out among you.

Listen to these solemn words in Hebrews 12:25: “See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less shall we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven.” The words cited a while ago, “lest the Lord break out among you”—were words spoken on earth, but take care lest the voice of God from heaven warns, for our God is a consuming fire. Is it any wonder that the psalmist said in Psalm 119:26, “My flesh trembles for fear of thee, and I am afraid of thy judgments.”

Let us again look at the text in verses 17 and 18: “Let judgment begin with the household of God and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome of those who do not obey the Gospel of God? And if it is with difficulty that the righteous are saved”—or your version may say, “if the righteous are scarcely saved…” That seems to imply: if they are just saved by the skin of their teeth, if they just barely make it. Would that not be a terrible statement against Christ? Is Christ’s atoning work barely sufficient? No, it is altogether adequate. It is superabundant in its ability to save any and all. This passage is not dealing with believers just barely making it into the eternal Kingdom.

Look at the wording: “If the righteous…” This text is suggesting: if those who have been made righteous, if those already justified, are still being saved with difficulty…. What does it mean? Well, it’s hard going judging yourself day in and day out, month after month, year after year, unceasingly judging yourself. It is even harder to judge others righteously. If the church will not judge itself, if judgment does not begin in the household of faith, the question is asked, what hope is there for the ungodly and the sinner? Do you realize the contribution the church has made to the eternal death of the unbelieving world, by our refusal to judge ourselves? By the refusal of the church to judge its people, we have made it increasingly difficult when it is already difficult enough, for the ungodly and the sinners to judge themselves.

Seven Illustrations

There are seven illustrations which are extremely consequential. The first is found in Leviticus 9 and 10. God had been meeting His people in a profoundly powerful fashion, and then two of Aaron’s sons wanted to get in on the act. We read, “Now Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took their respective firepans, and after putting fire in them, placed incense on it and offered strange fire before the Lord, which He had not commanded them. And fire came out from the presence of the Lord and consumed them, and they died before the Lord. Then Moses said to Aaron, ‘It is what the Lord spoke saying, “By those who come near me I will be treated as holy, and before all the people I will be honored.”‘” These two brothers took strange fire. Somebody wants to know, “Were they really believers?” How do I know? They were sons of Aaron and they were in the priesthood. God demands that we all without any exceptions treat Him as holy, and God insists that before all the people we honor the Lord.

Some present the strange fire of jokes in the pulpit. Some use as illustrations stuff from the television the night before, and while they are there to call people from the world, they’re feeding them the world, when they’re supposed to be feeding them the Word of God. Strange fire.

God judged Moses for his loss of self-control. In the last verses of Deuteronomy, chapter 32 we read, “The Lord spoke to Moses that very same day, saying, go up to this mountain of the Abarim, Mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab opposite Jericho, and look at the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the sons of Israel for a possession. Then die on the mountain where you ascend, and be gathered to your people, as Aaron your brother died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people, because you broke faith with me…”

What did Moses do? God had said to him in the midst of a murmuring people, “Speak to the rock” (Num. 20:8). But Moses was in an agitated spirit. He let the mean spiritedness and murmuring attitudes of the people touch him. So he grabbed hold of the rod and whacked the rock, and judgment fell on Moses. In Numbers 20:12 there is a powerful statement about this, and God said to Moses, “At this place, at the Waters of Meribah, where you were supposed to maintain my holiness before the people, you didn’t maintain it. And now, Moses, I want you to understand, I’m going to maintain it. But I’ll maintain it at your expense.”

People who read these passages in Numbers and Deuteronomy ask, “Are you suggesting that Moses went to hell?” No, I’m not suggesting he went to hell. But that is no relief for anyone who has a change of mind, whose mind-set is the glory of God. If I steal from the glory of God, that’s worse to the believer than going to hell, because the purpose for my existence has been defeated when I sin and rob God of His glory. May we have a renewed realization of our duty to maintain God’s holiness before the people and to uphold His glory before all, and may our heart be set to maintain it so that God is not forced to maintain it at our expense. It’s time for judgment to begin in the household of faith.

The third illustration is in Judges, chapters 13-16—the account of Samson. His birth was announced by angels. His parents were informed that he was to be a Nazarite from the womb, that he was to drink no strong wine, that he was to eat no unclean thing, and that his hair was not to be shaved. We read of times when the Spirit of God came upon him, but most of us remember that season in Samson’s life when he fooled around with Delilah. Delilah made him sleep on her knees. She called a man to shave off the seven locks of his hair and she said, “The Philistines are upon you!” He woke from his sleep and roused himself, intending to go out and shake himself as before, but he didn’t know the Spirit of the Lord had left him. I’m afraid lest some preacher here be in that circumstance of not knowing that the Spirit of the Lord has already left him. It is time for judgment to begin in the household of faith.

Place in your mind the story of Eli and his sons. The priest Eli grew grossly fat by eating the things his sons were forbidden to touch. Then came that day when he sat on his stool and news came that the ark of God had been taken by the Philistines, and this priest, Eli, fell backward off his stool and broke his neck There was not a man of his descendants who lived to any age or who ever occupied that glorious position he held. He didn’t judge himself, and God was forced to judge him.

Think of David. There is a long account of David in 1 Chronicles, chapters 13 through 17, and then a much shorter account in 2 Samuel, chapter 6, when David sought to bring the ark of God back to Jerusalem. A boy reached up to steady the ark when it hit the rough place in the road, and God struck the boy down. David was angry and he called the place “Perezuzzah”—the Lord has made a breech on us. Why? Neither David nor the priest had judged themselves. David wanted to bring the Ark of God home, but he didn’t go to the Scriptures to find out how to do it. Instead of carrying it on the shoulders of the Kohites, they built a new cart and carried it the way the Philistines did.

David did not maintain God’s holiness among the people. God had to maintain it at David’s expense. David was not struck dead. It was Uzzah. That’s one of the amazing things about God. It may be someone near you who gets struck down because of your sin. God may have some higher purpose for you, as he had for David.

A sixth illustration is the King of Judah, Uzziah. He was 16 years of age when he became king. In his early days he did everything right in the sight of the Lord. God blessed him, and we read, “When he became strong, his heart was lifted up with pride.” He wouldn’t judge himself. God had to judge him. When he was in the Temple misbehaving, doing something he had no right to do, leprosy appeared on his forehead, and his kingly rule was over (2 Chron. 26:16-23).

Turn to Acts 5 and read afresh the story of Ananias and Sapphira. They agreed together to deceive the Church and the Lord. Brothers and Sisters, it is time for judgment to begin in the household of faith. It will be with great difficulty that we are saved, but if we choose the easy road instead of the hard road of holiness, what will happen to the ungodly and sinners? What will happen is happening! They are dying by the millions and a powerless Church under the judgment of God is unable to help them.

Is there some area of your life that needs judgment? Let us bow before God and judge ourselves and put away sin.

There are many more example from every walk of life and every "Christian" organization PeaceMakers has sought to bring God's Peace and Reconcilation.  Compare these examples using the "Eight Steps To Complete Forgiveness"  and Thomas Watson's The Beatitudes: Peaceableness; Spurgeon's Blessed are the Peacemakers (links below)  bill

 Eight Steps To Complete Forgiveness

Thomas Watson: The BEATITUDES: Peaceableness

REV. C. H. SPURGEON :“Blessed are the peacemakers"

Jeremiah: The call to genuine repentance (4:1-4)
Expositors Bible Commentary: Frank E. Gaebelein

"1-2 The people's cry of anguish (3:24-25) is now answered by the Lord with an assurance of blessing when they do return to him. There is a vast difference between perfunctory repentance and heartfelt restoration to God. If Judah would truly repent, it must be to God alone (v.1). Furthermore, they must really rid themselves of their detestable things, their idols. Evidently they had not yet done this. Moreover, if the people will remain steadfast (on their oath in the name of the Lord) in the essential qualities of truth, justice, and righteousness, then their example will profoundly affect the nations (v.2). Judah's conversion will herald blessing for the nations. To swear by God's name involves recognition of him as Lord. Oaths in the name of other gods were not to be sworn by them. When the nations are being blessed, the Abrahamic blessing is being realized (cf. Gen 12:3; 18:18; 22:18; 26:4; 28:14; see also Isa 2:3; Zech 8:20-23). The very name of Israel will become a formula of blessing.

3-4 Jeremiah now uses two figures to show the nation's need of spiritual renewal: one from agriculture and the other from physiology. He exhorts the people of Judah to break up their neglected and untilled hearts, which had become as hard as an uncultivated field (v.3). No farmer will sow seed on unplowed ground. So the plow of repentance and obedience was needed to remove the outer layer of weeds and thorns that had resulted from idolatry. Otherwise, thorns would choke the newly sown seed (Hos 10:12). The very foundations of the nation's spiritual life needed tending, even restructuring.

Again, Jeremiah calls for repentance—this time under the figure of circumcision (v.4). The hard encrustation on their hearts must be cut away. Nothing less than removal of all natural obstacles to the will of God would suffice. Outward ritual must be replaced by inward reality (cf. Deut 10:16; Rom 2:28-29). The heart was involved because outward worship was valueless unless the inner life was given over to God. Their hearts must be spiritually receptive. The only other alternative to obedience was to experience the fitting wrath of God. Jeremiah everywhere underscores the necessity for the new heart as in the prophecy of the new covenant (ch. 31).

Page 408...  Amazingly enough, even at that late hour there was still opportunity for repentance. Prophecies of judgment are conditional; obedience to God reverses the threat of judgment. But there must be inner cleansing, even of the thought life, if disaster is to be averted."

Page 411 "Judah's total corruption (5:1-31)

          This chapter reveals Jerusalem under moral investigation. It may be viewed as a theodicy. A superficial reading of the earlier chapters of the prophecy might lead one to conclude that the nation has been charged with all it has been guilty of. But the depths of her sin against the Lord must be reviewed at length. The nation must come to a much fuller realization of her ingrained sin. The desperately low spiritual state of the nation must be brought under the searchlight of God's scrutiny. Moreover, her sin must be judged in view of her continued refusal to heed the Lord's gracious calls to repent and so avert disaster. What a telling portrayal of unrelieved apostasy the chapter gives us! "

The Reproaches of the Wicked:
Peacemaking & Persecution: by Arthur Pink

"Throughout this Gospel dispensation, we are to go into all nations as heralds of the cross, seeking the reconciliation of those who by nature are at enmity with our Master. Second, this grace of peacemaking supplements the six graces mentioned in the previous verses. Perhaps the fact that this is the seventh Beatitude indicates that it was our Lord’s intent to teach that it is this attribute that gives completeness or wholeness to Christian character. We must certainly conclude that it is an unspeakable privilege to be sent forth as ambassadors of peace. Furthermore, those who fancy themselves to be Christians, yet have no interest in the salvation of fellow sinners, are self-deceived. They-possess a defective Christianity, and have no right to expect to share in the blessed inheritance of the children of God. Third, there is a definite link between this matter of our being peacemakers and the persecution to which our Master alludes in verses 10-12. By mentioning these two aspects of Christian character and experience side by side in His discourse, Christ is teaching that the opposition encountered by His disciples in the path of duty is the result of their faithfulness in the service to which they have been called. Thus we may be certain that the peacemaking of our text refers primarily to our being instruments in God’s hands for the purpose of reconciling to Him those who are actively engaged in warfare against Him (cf.John 15:17-27)....

"The world may despise them as fanatics, professors of religion may regard them as narrow-minded sectarians, and their relatives may look upon them as fools. But the great God owns them as His children even now, distinguishing them by tokens of His peculiar regard and causing His Spirit within them to witness to them that they are sons of God. But in the Day to come, He will publicly avow His relationship to them in the presence of an assembled universe. However humble their present situation in life may be, however despised and misrepresented by their fellow men, they shall yet “shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father” (Matthew 13:43).  Then shall transpire the glorious and long-awaited “manifestation of the sons of God” (Romans 8:19)."

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“It is being said that the chief need of the Church today is to repent because of its ‘lack of unity’…
we would suggest that before she repents of her disunity, she must repent of her apostasy.
She must repent of her perversion of, and substitutes for, ‘the faith once delivered to the saints.’
She must repent of setting up her own thinking and methods over against the divine revelation in Holy Scripture.   Here lies the reason for her lack of spiritual power and inability to deliver a living message in the power of the Holy Ghost  to a world ready to perish.” Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones  given at the annual meeting of the Inter-Varsity Fellowship in 1954

Malachi 1:6-10  "A son honors his father, and a servant his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me?  If I am a master, where is the respect due me?" says the LORD Almighty. "It is you, O priests, who show contempt for my name.  "But you ask, 'How have we shown contempt for your name?'  7 "You place defiled food on my altar. "But you ask, 'How have we defiled you?' "By saying that the LORD's table is contemptible.  8 When you bring blind animals for sacrifice, is that not wrong?  When you sacrifice crippled or diseased animals, is that not wrong? Try offering them to your governor!  Would he be pleased with you? Would he accept you?" says the LORD Almighty.  9 "Now implore God to be gracious to us. With such offerings from your hands, will he accept you?"-- says the LORD Almighty. 10 "Oh, that one of you would shut the temple doors, so that you would not light useless fires on my altar! I am not pleased with you," says the LORD Almighty, "and I will accept no offering from your hands.

C. H. SPURGEON: Ezekiel 9:8 THE PERSONS WHO ESCAPED, who could each say, “And I was left.” We are told that those were marked for mercy who did “sigh and cry for the abominations that were done in the midst thereof.” Now, we must be very particular about this. It is no word of mine, remember: it is God's word, and therefore I beg you to hear and weigh it for yourselves.

We do not read that the devouring sword passed by those quiet people who never did anybody any harm: no mention is made of such an exemption. Neither does the record say that the Lord saved those professors who were judicious, and maintained a fair name and repute until death. No; the only people that were saved were those who were exercised in heart, and that heart-work was of a painful kind: they sighed and cried because of abounding sin. They saw it, protested against it, avoided it, and, last of .all, wept over it continually. Where testimony failed, it remained for them to mourn; retiring from public labors, they sat them down and sighed their hearts away because of the evils which they could not cure; and when they felt that sighing alone would do no good, they took to crying in prayer to God that he would come and put an end to the dreadful ills which brooded over the land.  Click Here to Read Full Sermon


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Tom Ascol

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Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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Thomas Brooks
  1. Helps Against Temptation by Thomas Brooks
  2. Precious Remedies Against Satan's Devices by Thomas Brooks
Horatius Bonar
  1. The Gospel of the Holy Spirit's Love: Horatius Bonar
  2. The Spirit in Us: Horatius Bonar
John Bunyan
  1. The Straight Gate by John Bunyan
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John Calvin
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Oswald Chambers

     Psychology Of Redemption by Oswald Chambers

Larry Christenson

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A.R. Copeland
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Jonathan Edwards
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  2. Directions on Christian Conduct: by Jonathan Edwards
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  4. Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God: by Jonathan Edwards
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  6. How To Know If You're A Real Christian: by Jonathan Edwards
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Gene A. Getz

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Matthew Henry

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Roy and Revel Hesson
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Erroll Hulse
  1. Mortification of Sin a Necessity by Erroll Hulse
Dan Juster
  1.  Due Process: A Plea For Biblical Justice Among God's People by Dan Juster
Martin Luther
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  2. Thou Shalt NOT Bare False Witness Against Thy Neighbor by Martin Luther
  3. Luther's Large Catechism: by Martin Luther
  4. Honor Your Father and Mother-All Godly Authority:by Martin Luther
  5. The Fruits of Faith-Our Spiritual Service: by Martin Luther
  6. The Gifts and Works of Christ's Members: by Martin Luther
  7. Christian Revenge: by Martin Luther
  8. Christian Love and the Command to Love: by Martin Luther
  9. The Glorious Adornment of Christians: by Martin Luther
  10. The Christian Race for the Prize: by Martin Luther
  11. Paul's Glory in His Labor and Suffering: by Martin Luther
  12. Abstain from Fleshly Lusts by Martin Luther
Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
  1. Peace with God and False Peace: Assurance-Romans 5:1,2 by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
  2. Man who is NOT a Son of God:Romans 8:5-17 (ch 1) by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
  3. Man who IS a Son of God:Romans 8:5-17 (ch 2) by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
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  5. Saving Faith: Romans 10:1-3 Part Two by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
  6. Jesus Christ and HIM Crucified by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
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  8. Romans 12: Christian Conduct [ch 9] by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
  9. Romans 12: Gifts & the Gift of Prophesy [ch 17-18] by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
  10. Romans 12: Personal Revenge vs Godly Justice [ch34] by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
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  5. Sanctification a Lifelong Work by John Owen
  6. Temptation of Believers by John Owen
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  8. Believers Only are Sanctified by John Owen
  9. The Work of Sanctification Itself by John Owen
  10. The Work of the Spirit in Purging Believers from Sin by John Owen
  11. The Work of the Spirit in Renewing the Spiritual Life of Believers by John Owen
Arthur Pink
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Samuel Richardson

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Ray C. Stedman
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Thomas Watson
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John Wesley
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George Whitefield
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Alexander Strauch

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  2. God's Faithfulness in Afflicting His People by Charles Bridges
  3. CAUTION, and others named peacemakers
  4. How would you know Good from Evil?
  5. Isn't Divorce only for Adultery
  6. Be Ye NOT Unequally Yoked
  7. Pleased or Not Pleased to dwell with believer-1 Corinthians 7:12-15
  8. A Fruitful Sermon on Repentance by John Bradford
  9. Revivals That Stay, E.M. Bounds
  10. The Devil and the Church: E.M. Bounds
  11. Weaker Brothers, Pharisees, and Servants: by Garry Friesen
  12. That  Offends Me!:by Larry Wilson
  13. Gospel Unity: by John Flavel
  14. The Gift and Office of Prophecy
  15. The Doctrine and the Duty of Self-Examination by James Haldane
  16. Thou Shalt NOT Bare False Witness by Martin Luther
  17. Building Up VS Gossip: by Matthew Poole
  18. The Carnal Christian by Ernest C. Reisinger
  19. Biblical Repentance: by L.R. Shelton, Jr.
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  21. Two Types of Faith
  22. The Love of the Spirit: C.R. Vaughan
  23. The Love of the Spirit: Dr. M'Crie
  24. Doctrine of Repentance by E. C. Wines
  25. Tenderness of Spirit: G.D.Watson
  26. Church Discipline by Joe Price
  27. Lord I Agree by Richard Owen Roberts-Roberts
  28. Solemn Assembly by Richard Owen Robert-Roberts
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  1. Basic Principles of Biblical Fellowship
  2. Against Christians Suing Christians
  3. Biblical Foundations In Peacemaking to Resolving Conflict
  4. Christian Court: A Biblical Dispute Agreement
  5. Weaker Brothers, Pharisees, and Servant: by Garry Friesen
  6. That  Offends Me!:by Larry Wilson
  7. When Should I Confront Another?
  8. Eight Steps to Biblical Forgiveness
  9. Checking Your Heart
  10. Focusing Your Dispute
  11. When to Meet
  12. Recommended: Associated Reformed Presbyterian Church-Church Discipline Process

  13. Orthodox Presbyterian Church - Church Discipline process

    peacemakerChurch Discipline, peacemakersBiblical Counseling,peaceReconciliation"Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. I charge {thee} before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality."
    1 Timothy 5:19-21

    "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.  16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.  17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican."  Matthew 18:15-17

    Rev. Paul Crouch,  Trinity Broadcast Network:

    It was disturbing to read the homosexual accusation against Rev. Paul Crouch of Trinity Broadcasting Network!  What I find even more troublesome is that TBN paid about $425,000 contributor's gifts-God's money-to the accuser rather than bringing the matter before a Church council or even the secular courts.  TBN used the weapons of this world and did not trusts God for HIS justice.  Even more disquieting are the number of people-mostly religious leaders, who, without a Biblical judgment from a Biblical forum, e.g. Church Discipline, came to Rev. Crouch's defense, as though Rev. Jim Bakker, Rev. Jimmy Swaggart, among others, haven't fooled them before.  Evangelical Christians need to realize we are to exercise God's principles of dealing with these issues in a Godly, holy process, and render a Godly judgment according to Matthew 18.  Stop defrauding! Stop the Stealing! Stop the gossiping!  Stop circling the wagons and get back to God's righteousness and faithful living.  What arrogance we have when we take these matters into our own hands, leaving God's ways and HIS will.

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Jireh Bible Church Conflict, Houston TX:

To Mr. Bill Fields, I am currently struggling with a dispute among brothers in my church; one that I never would have thought would come to pass. It breaks my heart to see two men who were once so close break ties and go separate ways. I believe that two brothers in Christ who claim the Word of God as the ultimate authority can be reconciled. 

I have heard of Peacemaker Ministries before but really know nothing about it, so I decided to search for it on the internet. In the process, I came across your site, as it is currently the second hit in the Google search engine I read through your "rebuke" of Ken Sande and it only further discouraged me in my hope for reconciliation in my church! 

You are choosing to be divisive and a horrible witness to non-believers  displaying all the communication you have had with the other group openly on the internet along your discontentment with their answer. What a stumbling block you are to people like me who have never dealt with conflict before and are looking for help!  I started my search in hope of finding answers, but only found more confusion and disorders order. The only things I know about your dispute are from the information you posted. 

What you have posted does show me love or compassion for him, but a drive to make your point and show the world that you're right. Do you honestly believe  that you are honoring God by being publicly divisive? Am I to follow your example and make a website showing where I disagree with my brothers and believe that they are dishonoring God by not reconciling?  If following your example is what God would want me to do, then please show me. I want to honor God and help my brothers.  All I see on your website is an  example of how to futher divide the body of Christ, and in a way for all  non-believers to see. Sincerely, Bryan Mosher "

"people like me who have never dealt with conflict before and are looking for help"

As a self identified novice who displays a serious lack of Biblical understanding I suggest the following:

1 Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2and he began to teach them saying:  3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,  for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.  4Blessed are those who mourn,  for they will be comforted.  5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.  6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,  for they will be filled.  7Blessed are the merciful,  for they will be shown mercy.  8Blessed are the pure in heart,   for they will see God.  9Blessed are the peacemakers,  for they will be called sons of God.  10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

If you're done criticizing and open to learning, please write back for your next lesson, bill

Consider this...why does God include so many examples in the Bible, that you seem to refute posting current examples of the same issues.  bill

Bryan Mosher:
I agree with you: we can learn many things from the examples God has provided for us in the Bible.  However, He has also given us specific instructions to not take our current conflicts to non-believers for judgement, but to the church.

In your posting, you accuse Mr. Sande of failing to properly carry out church discipline in line with Matthew 18, while at the same time, you yourself fail to properly do so.  Instead of taking the matter to the church, you have taken it to the whole world, including non-believers, by posting it on the internet.  You have put the matter into the hands of non-believers for judgement.  If I, having no prior knowledge of the situation, can come across it by simply searching the internet, so can any non-believer.  Taking the matter to non-believers to judge also stands in opposition to the principles of 1 Cor. 6:1-8.

You did not read it fully...I took it to his board and later to his church and they all failed address the issues Biblically.

Again I note the Bible, God's exposure of the believers wrongs before the world.  God does not present it before for the world for them to be judge, but to be warned. Biblical presentation warns the non-believers, God's Body, those who are "christian" pretenders in danger of hell fire.  bill

Bryan Mosher:
I understand that.  You then took the matter to the whole world by posting it on the internet.  You added another step to the process. 

What are you seeking by posting it on the internet?  Are you not seeking that others come to agree with your position?  Do you desire that I as well as others see that God's Word was not honored in the situation? 

What about non-believers who read your posting?  Non-believers will read it.  Will they not tend to see Mr. Sande in a negative light as a result of what you wrote?  Non-believers will pass judgement on him, even if it is only in their minds.  Will that draw them closer to God or drive them away? 

What will non-believers then think about the manner in which Christians deal with conflict?  In unity, or in disorder?  The message the posting sends is that not even the Christian "peacemakers" can "get along."  This is a terrible way to represent God to the non-believing world.  This only adds more support to the claim "Christians are no different than the rest of the world."  This may not be your intent for posting the information, but that is what it does.

You make God's point-those who call themselves "Christian" and fail their God given responsibilities, look no different than the rest of the world and God warns them in Matthew 18 to treat them as non-believers. bill

Bryan ...Yes, God did expose and judge people before the whole world in the Bible.  Is not He the only one with the authority to do so?

Where in the Bible does God give us such authority?  In Acts, God also judged and put Ananias and Sapphira to death for lying.  Should we follow His example in that as well if we encounter an identical situation?

Christians are never given the authority beyond "treating" them as non-believers, thereby removing them from the church.

It's beyond time to invite your elders and those in conflict as a part of these communications.  There are many spiritual dimensions involved that those mature in the faith will recognize and know how they should respond. Hebrews 13:  bill

As I have been thinking about what you have said, I realized that I have criticized and accused you before taking the time to actually talk with you to see what you have to say.

I apologize for that, and ask your forgiveness.

I want to honor God first, and criticizing and accusing do not accomplish that.  Thank you for taking the time to talk with me about this issue.  Bryan

I offer forgiveness, because I am nothing more than one whose sins past, present and future are deserving of death and God's gracious love forgives me such a great debt.  Matthew 18.  bill

I have spoken with an elder in the church, and the elders in my church are taking care of and have been taking care of the
situation.  I do not want to add anyone else to this communication as I personally have no part in the matter.  What I have written to you about is an internal personal struggle I am dealing with, as an outsider looking in.  I have come to better understand what happened, and that the situation is now in God's hands.

Thank you for your time and your willingness to talk to me.

Then I strongly suggest your first error was seeking outside your Church Elders training that is your first responsibility to seek from your Elders. And if I understand this correctly, YOU have taken an internal issue to the public and exposed your church's internal affairs before others.  You need to repent publicly to the Elders, those in conflict, and I would say you are required to confess this sin as a matter of both confession and training before the whole congregation.  Only when the Elders/leadership have steadfastly failed their God given responsibilities should you have sought outside help either personally or on behalf of your home church.  This is a very important understanding-you have done exactly what you first accused me of doing! This is a serious breech of faith and responsibility.  You now need to have that Elder contact me and affirm you have made such a confession and that the matter is rightly under their God given authority.  So you know, if I do not hear from that Elder I will contact your churches Spiritual Leadership for their exercise of their proper Biblical responsibilities.  You and your Church continue in my prayers.  bill


I allowed my sorrow to lead me into a sinful attitude that resulted in my initial email to you, and our resulting discussion of your posting.  I will speak with the same elder I spoke with previously and ask to him to help me resolve this matter.  I will also ask him to contact you to let you know how the matter was resolved. Bryan

I spoke with the elder in my church, and he told me that he and the other elders have been taking steps to handle the situation in a Biblical manner and that there is no need for outside assistance on a private matter at this time. Thank you.

I will need to hear from the elder himself: Isn't this wanted to learn peacemaking and now you get to practice in person....bill

email sent via Jireh Bible Church's, Houston TX website:
Thank you, I would like a Pastor or Elder to contact me concerning  Bryan Mosher.

There has been no further communication.


The Spiritually Self-Seeking Church
Oswald Chambers 

. . . till we all come . . . to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ . . . —Ephesians 4:13 Reconciliation means the restoring of the relationship between the entire human race and God, putting it back to what God designed it to be. This is what Jesus Christ did in redemption. The church ceases to be spiritual when it becomes self-seeking, only interested in the development of its own organization. The reconciliation of the human race according to His plan means realizing Him not only in our lives individually, but also in our lives collectively. Jesus Christ sent apostles and teachers for this very purpose— that the corporate Person of Christ and His church, made up of many members, might be brought into being and made known. We are not here to develop a spiritual life of our own, or to enjoy a quiet spiritual retreat. We are here to have the full realization of Jesus Christ, for the purpose of building His body.

Am I building up the body of Christ, or am I only concerned about my own personal development? The essential thing is my personal relationship with Jesus Christ— ". . . that I may know Him. . ." ( Philippians 3:10  ). To fulfill God’s perfect design for me requires my total surrender— complete abandonment of myself to Him. Whenever I only want things for myself, the relationship is distorted. And I will suffer great humiliation once I come to acknowledge and understand that I have not really been concerned about realizing Jesus Christ Himself, but only concerned with knowing what He has done for me.

My goal is God Himself, not joy nor peace, Nor even blessing, but Himself, my God.

Am I measuring my life by this standard or by something less?

Bill, on your page:, the following sentence caught my eye. Can you provide any reference to material that evidences this? My fellowship is not really involved in church growth 
per se, but easily refers very sick sheep to the psycho pros

"Years ago the "church growth movement taught that "Pastors" should refer sheep needing intense Pastoral care to the "Christian psychololgy Professionals".

It is/was a basic tenet in "Church Growth" movement like Willow Creek to the point they brought 12 step programs into their buildings and programs.

The man who was called Bill W. the first alcholic to be ministered to by Reverend Frank N. D. Buchman, the person behind what was later called The Oxford Group. The Oxford Group lost it's way when they omitted Jesus Christ 
and HIS work of salvation in order to appeal to the "mankind" having what 2 Timothy 3:5 "having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them."  Today's "church" has no understanding of these differences and as blind leading the blind, rather than "have nothing to do with them" they are welcomed and celebrated.

The first generation of these leaders of these "churches" were/are mostly men using the ideas of the world to entice the "lost" into the church to win them.  When in my experiences God says 2 Thessalonians 2:10-13  "10 and with all the deceit of unrighteousness in those who perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.  11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie,  12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Lord, Lord have mercy...bill

Hi, I am involved in an on-going reproof of all the leaders in my local church, hoping that they can repent of setting aside the Truth of God. Steven.

Hi are in my prayers and before we go any farther I would need to read your repentance and confessions that have brought you to these spiritual truths and application in your own heart.  As you may know there are many who yell and denouce from a heart filled with the same on going sins they attack in others.  Peacemaking is filled with those who lash out at sinners from a heart of denouncing rather than an invitation to repentance. Peacemaking is filled with those who can teach the words but have not the spiritural insights to apply in their own heart nor walk in God's Light regardless of cost to themselves by those who persecute the truth carried by the faithful.

It has been my experience and from the witnesses who've gone before that Biblical Peacemaking uncovers far more enemies of God's Truth than wins converts to walking in Christ.  The place of Peacemaking in the sermon on the mount is no accident, one must begin in their own spiritual journey and progress through each beattitude in spiritual growth to be a brother in Christ who can endure the reality that severe persecution awaits them.

I have no doubt that organizations who are quite popular "peacemaking" teachers and leaders are more likely corrupt leading many astray of God's Blessings, and dine with the unrepentant sinner as a friend and brother. 

I was in near the very beginning of the modern attempt titled Christian Conflict Resolution that led to many calling themselves "peacemakers".  And when the Holy Spirit uncovered their sin, they became vicious dogs cloaked in scripture.  You do not want to mess with God in this domain-HE will reveal your heart to the world as HE has no tolerance for those who profess spiritual maturity and leadership that have no heart to feed HIS sheep.

I have not read your material yet and will wait until I can hear your heart directly from you.

......Bill, in addition to being truly amazed at your requiring response, I am very thankful for it. Such a response is precious and rare. Others have been after me for some time now to put my testimony down on paper yet I have pretty much ignored them. Your speaking has allowed the Lord to draw the line for me, and I thank you for it. It will take some time to put my history of repentance and confession down on paper. It is clear to me now that I must begin work on it.

I appreciate your prayer in that regard. I have also copied others on this reply to whom I have been trying to hold myself accountable.

This sentence of yours is on my heart each day: HE has no tolerance for those who profess spiritual maturity and leadership that have no heart to feed HIS sheep.

Expect to hear back from me in the near future.

A fellow soldier of Christ Jesus.

Clearview Church, Bloomington IL 61701 

Pastor Miller

I regret to inform you that PeaceMakers has been made aware that a person saying they are a part of your congregation has made a serious statement that there is/are women in your midst that have bared their breast and have held other women's breast as a greeting or show of some group identity. We are seeking the identity of the person making those statements but since there is now a police report of sexual assualt/harassment and/or sexual abuse against that person, we may not be able to identify and report the person(s) needing your Elders help. 

Please help us understand your procedures should the person the subject of the attack we willing to give witness to the person's identity and behaviors, as to how to proceed.

You are all in our prayers

There was no response: A police report was filed for sexual violation in which Clearview Church of Bloomington IL was identified by the assaliant as their church and is now public record. 

Biblical Repentance  v.  More of the same sin

I have just read through your "8 Steps" article 
(Eight Steps to Biblical Forgiveness), but I am still
unlcear how to handle the situation I have had confessed to me.

It involves a single woman in her mid-thirties living on her own that has
broken off a sexual relationship she has had with an unmarried pastor. 
She refuses to confide in her father and the pastor is still serving as a
teaching pastor.  They live in separate states.

She told me that because she has confessed her sin to God and some people
that know her and this pastor that her confession is complete.  She also
said she has repented and is now being restored.

I'm unclear, based upon your "8 steps", whether or not if she still needs
to confess to her father, the main pastor of the unmarried pastors church,
the elders in her church, etc.

Also, I'm not clear on the process of restititution is or what should be
in this situation and if true reconciliation can proceed without the
elders of your church being involved in that process or the authority of a
parent especially when a single person is involved.

Your Biblical counsel is much needed and prayerfully sought.



Blessings ______, you are walking the often lonely foot steps of Christ...

Here are the Biblical principles and resultant steps of faith for the True Christian.

Every person within a local church is to be in submission to the oversight and biblical teachings and accounting of that Church's Elders. Heb. 13.  for added emphasis 

Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you. NIV

Therefore each party either voluntarily goes with your witness and confesses before their authority or you go without them.

2 Corinthians 7:   for added emphasis 

2 Corinthians 7:9-12 9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. 10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. 11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter. 

True repentance is very clear and easy to see and willing to do all possible to not sin again, not cast clouds on Christ, His Body the Church, etc.  A degree of reluctance can be normal but will be quickly overcome (the same session) with clear Biblical instruction on this passage. Any further reluctance is grounds to proceed without them.

Crossing state lines, city limits, other congregations does not alter the Biblical truths, on the contrary, it must assure such a confession is made, to all in Biblical authority; therefore her father, her elders, her pastor, his pastor.

I don't care what she/he said or says, if it's not in line with the Scriptures it's a continuation of the heart/flesh sins that led to their abomination. Paul is very clear Godly Sorrow leads to a full clearing of the matter and opens the gates for those in Spiritual authority to assist and keep watch that it's not repeated and brings repute upon Christ's name nor grieves the Holy Spirit.

OK that was the easy part:sigh 

 The real test for you will likely come upon you by those who profess Christ and sit in the seat of authority who don't know these principles, nor practice them, don't know how to disciple and don't have the time to walk with her/him in their daily walk and keep close watch over them-if that's true then they will turn on you in all manner of ways that upbraids you and your actions.  Here's the test of true Godly Leadership-they will first weep at their failure to know and care for these two. They will bless you for following in Christ's instructions. They will repent to he/him of their failure as those who must give an account. They will gird their loins for spiritual battle and ask for your help and prayers.They will confess their own sins before the congregation in their failure of spiritual leadership. They will preach sermons that set forth these spiritual truths and how they will be excercised within their congregation. If she/he is unrepentant they will announce a period of shunning with instrurutions in hopes she/he will repent. Upon Biblical repentance with Godly sorrow they will celebrate the lost sheep's return and make promise to walk worthy of God's calling in their life.

I will tell you, I've never seen this happen.

If her father is a Christian he will follow the above pattern set forth in Scripture. If he is not a Christian, you may explain these teachings and your Christian love and responsibility for her. 

You all are in our prayers, remembering our confessions of failure and thanking God for Christ's witness and the discipline that hurt for a while that increased our love for our Heavenly Father and gave new light in to redemption, mercy, grace, to sinners such as we.  Amen and Amen


First Contact Email:

I got one email address from your website, the other from Dave Treadwell’s email below.  Here is an outline of the issue.  Hopefully it will help a potential facilitator understand before s/he calls me.

XYZ has been on Light of Life’s staff for XX years.  He’s held many positions and was an important steadying influence in the midst of some chaotic times.  When I arrived in YYYY, he was serving as XXXXX  and held that position until YYYY, when I hired a new  BBBBB and XYZ moved to a newly created position of RRRRRRR..

At that time, we both understood that it was a temporary position, though neither of us set any dates.  Last summer I started to share with XYZ that the work assigned him was winding down, and that we had to start talking about his transition out of Light of Life.  Last YYYY we agreed that he would resign on YY/YY/YY, but that he would not have to work after YY/YY/YY (he would be paid for YY, YY and YY without showing up).  This agreement took the form of a letter of resignation from him requesting the 3 months of pay without work and my letter to him agreeing to the request.

Now his wife is pressing him to demand 9 month’s severance (to start YY/YY/YY) because he is being pushed out.  QUE (a former staff member herself) is telling him they (both of them) have sacrificed too much for too long.  I asked XYZ if we would be having this conversation if he already had a job lined up.  He said we absolutely would.  For QUE, it is a matter of principle, though I’m sure it’s also a matter of security.

I’ve told him he has put me in a difficult position.  This should have been dealt with last YY when we negotiated the separation.  If there are any changes, we now have to write legal documents that speak of “full and final agreement”.

I could simply say no—we have an agreement in writing.  I did not lay him off, saying there was no longer a need for a XXXXX, because I wanted to offer him the chance to leave “on his own terms”.  The risk of saying no is the problems we could have with other long-term staff, some of whom still feel I’m cleaning house…and they will be next.

I could agree to the request.  But I could have sent him on his way with a one year severance when I found a new BBBB.  It would have cost the Mission less if it had been handled that way.  But, I didn’t do so to save XYZ the embarrassment of being let go harshly after all those years of service.  Furthermore, I’m concerned about setting precedence—negotiating twice at separation—or other long term staff members offering to resign in exchange for severance.

I want to do the “right thing” and let God handle the consequences.  But I’m not sure what the right thing is. 

David G. Bugher 
Executive Director 
Light of Life Rescue Mission 

I am the Light of the world... 
In me you will have abundant Life  -Jesus 


From: David Treadwell 
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:17 PM
Cc: Bugher, David
Subject: Conciliation Assistance

Greetings.  Our sister mission in Pittsburg, Light of Life Mission, is looking for assistance with a Christian conciliation effort in the personnel/employment field. Could you please recommend one or more facilitators they can contact for assistance?  I’ve shared our positive experiences with Ron Zabel and believe this is a situation where conciliation has a great opportunity for the parties to honor the Lord.

The contact is Executive Director David Bugher, email above, (412) 258-6150.  Thanks and blessings, Dave

David O. Treadwell
Executive Director
Central Union Mission
Washington, DC  20009

PMI: Response 
Please forward XYZ's full name, email address and phone number..thank you,

Contact information XYZ was received:

I have not heard back from I will speak to you in terms of what came to mind in the values I hear in your information and desire. Only God knows what you are saying, I'm sharing from who I've been and heard in all my years of ministry, corporate turn around professional, managing ministries and secular business. I can not speak to the details specific to your immediate situation.

1. You are a ministry NOT a business. Your question is a business choice.
2. XYZ  made this ministry succeed to this point-if not for him there would be no question.
3. XYZ  & his wife gave their life for this ministry.
4. Even the business & military world would recognize their service and sacrifice and provide a pension and health benefits.
5. XYZ  and his wife are brothers and sisters in Christ having needs-you should choose accordingly.
6. You are reaping the rewards of their sacrifice-in 28 years how would you like to be treated?
7. Caring for XYZ  and his wife IS ministry
8. What lessons do you want those whom you choose to minister to learn from how you treat XYZ  and his wife?
9. XYZ  and his wife are children of our Living God-if I talk to you like this, what do you think God's going to say about your treatment of XYZ and his wife?
10. What reputation do you want in your own heart, your community, in God's record of your choice?
11. The perceived failings/sins, (if I'm on target) started in the HQs of your group and needs to corrected there first.
12. If you are humbled before God with these statement, don't expect HQ to be-they picked you and they talk sweetly to you until they (they now, they future) need to throw you away for a better "leader". 
13. If HQ is humbled, you are part of a miracle-it's almost never happens.
14. If HQ is not humbled, get out now before you risk your sanity, your faith, your family.
15. If you think these thoughts are absurd, put this in a safe place and write me in five years, because the same dynamics that brought you to this point with XYZ , will then be an ax over your head. 

you are all in my prayers, bill fields


Rather than continue one-way communication by responding to your email, I would like to talk.  Would you be willing to call my cell (xxx-xxx-xxxx) or give me a number I can call?  Two-way communication is always better…especially in this case.


If we talk one to one the rules are I will only talk about you and the Biblical application to you. Otherwise it's with witnesses.  Please let me know if this is acceptable, bill

 i agree not to talk about the specific case. 

I may have read a lot into your last email that you did not intend.  It seemed to me that you drew many conclusions based on many assumptions.  You said you “could not speak to the details specific to our immediate situation”, but then did exactly that.  Maybe I misunderstood your intentions.  My concern, based on the above, is whether Peacemakers would be of any help in this circumstance.

David G. Bugher 
Executive Director 
Light of Life Rescue Mission 

Yes, that's why we have witnesses.  As to whether I'm able to help you, it seems the answer is no. My intention was to state to you what is very common in what calls itself "ministry." Your presentation is classic. I presented God's Word and the heart of Godly ministry and you didn't seem to hear it. If XYZ ever contacts me I will do the same with his side of the table.  Let me explain the Biblical definition of Peacemaking, it's the establishment or re-establishment of Godliness. I'm not interviewing for a job-I don't care if you hire me or not-I care I present Godliness and how God expects Christians  to behave-how did you miss that? How did you possibly read into my response anything more? And remember, I spoke to the details you presented on your side of the table-how does that raise your concerns?

This last email confirms that I will not talk with you nor anyone else without witnesses, you're in my prayers,  bill



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